DUST Search - Laser rifle too overpowered?

Laurent Cazaderon wrote:

The dark cloud wrote:

Laurent Cazaderon wrote:

Field Hawk wrote:

It's all about the title, they are just too overpowered, they just kill you less than 2 seconds and have a sniper range, they need a nerf NOW!

Meh. Only thing to check with lasers is their over-heat speed. LVL 3 and ELM7 make it almost impossible to over-heat unless you're a massive screw up. Viziam and lvl 5 is mostly a no-overheat deal..

Shouldnt be that way. But damage side, it is fine.

Dude the skill does NOTHING. Even on lvl 5 it still overheats at the same time.
STD= overheats at 19 rounds left over
ADV=16 rounds left
PRO=12 left over
the skill does exactly nothing which annoys me. Another thing what bugs me is that the elm-7 has absolute no advantage over the standard laser except of the minimal overheat reduction. In my opinion the ELM-7 should have 2~2.5 more damage points compared to the standard. That would mean a damage of 17.5HP per hit with no heat up. Cause at the moment the damage pattern is like this:
STD=15HP
ADV=15HP
PRO=20HP

going from ADV to PRO is a huge jump in damage (33%) that is the same as to put 3 damage mods on a STD laser.

Not actually a Laser specialist so i'll take your word on that. I played laser a while on codex and saw that the skill wasnt working and the ELM7 pretty much never over-heated so i assumed it was fixed with chromosome. Guess not then...

Otherwise, agreed that the damage pattern is pretty odd.
Imo, the basic laser is probably a bit too powerfull. The viziam definitely is. But for both, it's probably due to the over-heat problems and not specifically the base damage.

I find odd that a basic laser with no skill can spill 81% of its clip before over-hitting. Imo, even at full skill, a weapon that has an over-heat system shouldnt be able to drop 100% of its clip without over-heating. Tbh, i have no idea how much a laser should be able to fire before OH at full skill but the current value seems way too high.

Worst thing CCP could do would be to change both damage and over-heat speed. Could make the gun useless. If it were up to me, i'd just make over-heating a bit more common, and put the ELM7 at a 17.5 base damage like you suggest. More over-heating means more player skill needed to use it properly. Wich is good.


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Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2013.01.14 09:47:00 - [1] - Quote Wow... The fact that some people are actually buying into this bullshit is actually impressive and relative to human stupidity... As the saying goes, "The only unfair fight is the one you lose" but you're not supposed to take it seriously and demand game changes because you as a player suck. However, for those of us that are honestly willing to acknowledge that Laser Rifles are -broken- you can check out my feedback/requests thread that outlies why it's pointless to ever skill above Laser Rifle Operation 3. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=50934&find=unread Can't WAIT to see all the "scrambler rifle is OP" threads. God I can't wait.
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2013.01.14 11:12:00 - [2] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Field Hawk wrote: It's all about the title, they are just too overpowered, they just kill you less than 2 seconds and have a sniper range, they need a nerf NOW! Meh. Only thing to check with lasers is their over-heat speed. LVL 3 and ELM7 make it almost impossible to over-heat unless you're a massive screw up. Viziam and lvl 5 is mostly a no-overheat deal.. Shouldnt be that way. But damage side, it is fine. Dude the skill does NOTHING. Even on lvl 5 it still overheats at the same time. STD= overheats at 19 rounds left over ADV=16 rounds left PRO=12 left over the skill does exactly nothing which annoys me. Another thing what bugs me is that the elm-7 has absolute no advantage over the standard laser except of the minimal overheat reduction. In my opinion the ELM-7 should have 2~2.5 more damage points compared to the standard. That would mean a damage of 17.5HP per hit with no heat up. Cause at the moment the damage pattern is like this: STD=15HP ADV=15HP PRO=20HP going from ADV to PRO is a huge jump in damage (33%) that is the same as to put 3 damage mods on a STD laser. Not actually a Laser specialist so i'll take your word on that. I played laser a while on codex and saw that the skill wasnt working and the ELM7 pretty much never over-heated so i assumed it was fixed with chromosome. Guess not then... Otherwise, agreed that the damage pattern is pretty odd. Imo, the basic laser is probably a bit too powerfull. The viziam definitely is. But for both, it's probably due to the over-heat problems and not specifically the base damage. I find odd that a basic laser with no skill can spill 81% of its clip before over-hitting. Imo, even at full skill, a weapon that has an over-heat system shouldnt be able to drop 100% of its clip without over-heating. Tbh, i have no idea how much a laser should be able to fire before OH at full skill but the current value seems way too high. Worst thing CCP could do would be to change both damage and over-heat speed. Could make the gun useless. If it were up to me, i'd just make over-heating a bit more common, and put the ELM7 at a 17.5 base damage like you suggest. More over-heating means more player skill needed to use it properly. Wich is good. It shouldn't have ammo/magazines to begin with. More of an "ammo pool" that doesn't need to be reloaded and actually makes overheating an issue you have to worry about. If the gun never overheats before it runs out of ammo in the magazine then it's pointless to even have Overheating as an issue in the first place. That and feeding from the max ammo pool would be more lore adherent.